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Post by Host Sandros on Mar 20, 2007 10:42:16 GMT -5
Ask the final 3 your question here, and wait for their reply. Then cast your vote!!
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tom
A Castaway
Nirvana
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Post by tom on Mar 20, 2007 19:18:29 GMT -5
Oh, it's coming. Stay tuned. 20. Sheep : 10 points
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tom
A Castaway
Nirvana
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Post by tom on Mar 20, 2007 22:56:07 GMT -5
First off, I just wanna be lame and say the traditional “congrats on making it to the end.” Yadda, yadda. Whatever. In all truthiness though, I think the 3 of you played very differently from each other and all played an overall great game. I can honestly say that the 3 of you played the best game out of all 24 of us. My questions to the 3 of you will be quite simple. But before I ask you these questions, I have some comments for each of you.
Chelsea: You disappointed me, girl. At first I was disappointed by the simple fact that you voted against me, but honestly that’s not what I’m disappointed about right now. Pretty quickly after I was ousted, I actually became your biggest fan! I assumed that Skylar would ‘win’ ‘another’ immunity challenge to get to the final 3 (but I’ll talk about your so called ‘amazing’ streak of challenge ‘wins’ later, Sky Guy), which would leave Rich totally vulnerable. I then expected you to vote with Sammy and Skylar and FINALLY dethrone Rich who was by far the biggest target in this game for the ENTIRE game. Since you voted me out, I assumed you would have no trouble voting Rich out. But Chelsea, you did NOT vote Rich out? What happened?! From my vantage point, you had a GOLDEN chance at winning this game had you been in the final 3 with Skylar and Sammy. While Sammy was obviously likeable, I thought you made far superior strategical moves than he did and you obviously escaped a lot of potential traps at the beginning of the game. As for Skylar…well, Skylar has his issues. But again, I shall get to those in mere moments. I would have absolutely voted for you had you voted Rich out because in my opinion you would have then played the greatest game: you had the cloud of controversy thing around you at the beginning of the game and all throughout it as well; you were constantly deemed a challenge threat; you were in a familiar position of mine when it was eventually just you and a bunch of Dragonez people on a tribe, yet you escaped that situation as well. You escaped so much at the beginning of the game. You did become a follower, as I was myself, once the merge occurred. You told me in a conversation once that you thought you had no chance at winning. I sought this as an opportunity to control your actions and I thought I would be able to drag you as far as possible without any opposition from you. But I’m ashamed to say that I underestimated you, Chelsea. I thought for sure that Sammy was gone at the final 5, but I was actually proud of you for finally making yourself a move by voting me out of the game. And I was looking for you to complete your mastery of the game by taking Rich down as well! So my one real question to you Chelsea is this: why the inconsistency? Why vote me out and not Rich? Why stave off voting for Sammy for just one more vote? I think you had yourself an amazing, stealthily-played game Chelsea, but in my opinion I feel you dropped the ball at the end. I would simply like to hear your strategic reasoning from the Final Five onward. Regardless, no hard feelings whatsoever. Congrats on at least a 3rd place finish. Well earned.
Rich: You played a solid game, Mr. Golden Boy. It’s hard to believe that you made it to the very end despite the horrible situation you and I were in after Ben and Josh left the game. I also find it hard to believe that NOBODY could ever vote you out. Idol or no idol, nobody had the guts to do it. I’ll be completely straight up with you: I wanted you gone the entire game. I really did. I knew from the git-go that you would be one of the biggest overall ‘threats’ in this game and that if I wanted to win, you would have to take the fall at some point. Despite the fact that you had the idol, it still had to be played BEFORE the votes were read. This means that any, ANY, ANYYYYYYY sneak attack could have taken you out before you knew what hit you. And yet, NOBODY DARED vote for you. You’re a likeable guy and I thoroughly enjoyed playing the game with you. But it does strike me as odd that not once did you accumulate a majority of the votes at any tribal council. Some people can say you did ‘nothing’ and that you ‘hid’ behind your idol. Having the idol isn’t any kind of sin though. Not using it properly is, and I think you used it masterfully. You somehow managed to keep us all in check. I’m still in shock as to how you did it. You didn’t make any specific or dramatic moves like perhaps Chelsea or Skylar made, but nonetheless you systematically eliminated 21 of your competitors without ever losing control of the game. My sole question for you, Rich, centers upon what I believe was your game-winning move: how exactly did you get inside Chelsea’s head and get her to vote with you at the final 4? I thought for sure you were a goner. But because you got Chelsea—either directly or indirectly—to vote with you, you’re still in the game and made it to the end. Anyway, it was a pleasure playing with you, Rich. Good luck my friend.
Skylar: Sly Sky, I must say, on paper you played a very good game. But alas, that is just on paper. Challenge wins have always been overrated for me. Still, I understand that sometimes the only way you can stay in the game is for you to win them. I definitely respect the fact that you won 5 straight immunity challenges, but let us bring things back down to earth a bit, shall we? Let us dissect this ‘amazing’ game you played. Let us read between the lines of your game while noticing the fine print as we uncover some realities that you’ve masterfully swept under the rug…
First off, let’s look at these challenges you ‘won.’ I say this sarcastically because in my opinion, there is only one challenge you genuinely WON. The first one you ‘won’ was from a silly little game called Unanimous. I can’t remember who first suggested that you be given immunity, but whoever said it, I chose to run with it. I did. Me. I continuously suggested that you be given immunity because I wanted to amend myself. I knew how freakish you were with regards to things not going your way in this game: you went ballistic after Jonty tossed your name around, you went ballistic after Jacob tossed your name around, and I knew you’d go ballistic over my snuffing 2 of your torches in the previous challenge (heaven forbid I would dare do such a thing, I know). In addition, I was getting nervous about how Conny was said to be associating with you and Zoe. If you had immunity, the focus would be off of you (and Zoe) and placed instead upon Conny and Deighton, which was something that I believe helped solidify some of my bonds in this game. So in my opinion, this first challenge that you ‘won’ was a gift. A very nice gift. There’s nothing you could have possibly said or done for you to ‘win’ it. I’ll appreciate a ‘thank you’ in your response to this speech after you’re done reading it. As a ripple effect, this challenge ‘win’ gave you an insane advantage in the next challenge which you would have had to have been mentally challenged and without 9 of your 10 fingers to type with in order not to have ‘won’ it. Again, a nice thank you reply is in order. As for your third ‘win,’ good job: you beat out a clueless Deighton and Donna who forgot to read the rules. Awesome job, man. What a challenge beast you are! But wait, there’s more! You ‘won’ a 4th challenge didn’t you? Yup, you sure did! Too bad Rich and Sammy were both missing for that one. You and I were neck and neck for most of the challenge and I have no doubt that had Rich and Sammy been there, much of your ultimate point total would have been deviated away you and transferred to them and you very well might not have won that challenge. I will grant you the fact that you did appear to win the last challenge fair and square (from what I could see anyway, though Sammy begs to differ…). That’s not to say that you shouldn’t have won all these challenges simply because most of them were handed to you. You obviously gotta take what you can get in this game. My beef with you, however, resides with the fact that you boast and boast that you won all these challenges when you know for a FACT that it wasn’t that arduous a venture for you to ‘win’ these. So c’mon Sly Sky, it’s time to play a different card.
I believe you played a decent strategy. I think you went over the top when Jonty suggested you get voted out. Was it really that necessary? She was a goner, we all knew it, and yet you had to beat her mercilessly into the ground. Same with Jacob, JP, you catch my drift don’t you, Cat? I think you played things decently with regards to your sneak-conversations with Conny and your anti-JP rants that kept you in the game over him. How I wish we had rid the Beast then and there whilst we had the chance. Sorry JP.
Now, let’s get to the juicy part: your attitude. I swear, I could not stand being around you. I understand that you were the odd man out and in some twarpy way, I understood your wonderful soliloquy that called out everyone in the game. But with that post you made and with your general conversations with everyone, you went WAY over the top. You spoke VILELY, CRUELLY, and utterly MEAN-SPIRITEDLY. You transformed an epic underdog destiny for yourself into a disgustingly nauseating display of a game for all of us to have to watch. The reason I stopped speaking to you after Deighton and Donna left was because I was sick of your phoniness more than anything. I became sick of your calling me ‘buddy’ and typing out the frequent ‘lol’ or ‘haha,’ and plenty of other ridiculously apparent, fake friendliness. When we were both immune, you were just happy to finally have an ally in this game, albeit a temporary one. I wish I could go back and not have spoken strategy with you that day because it disgusts me that I worked together with you to take out 2 of the people I trusted most out here. At the final 5, I also thought Rich and Chelsea both had my back and saw no reason to further discuss anything at all with you. So I didn’t.
So Skylar, after saying all of that, I have a couple of requests for you. First, I request those aforementioned thank you’s. I would like for you to thank me and all of your post-merge jury, as a matter of fact, for deciding to be stupid enough to hand you that first immunity victory and, in effect, giving you a seat in the final 3.
Secondly, I would simply like for you to be consistent. Throughout the entire game you begged our fellow-players to not ever vote for me if I made it to the end. You pleaded with everyone to “rip me a new hole.” You frequently cursed at Deighton and demeaned his character, you called Donna and Sammy worthless under the radar players who skated by, you called Chelsea a “silly pregnant dog” and proclaimed her to not have a “f***ing brain,” you berated Zoe and tossed her aside as dead when she was very much still in this game, you went ballistic on Jacob when he was simply trying to get rid of a worthless challenge contributor [YOU] (whether it was genuine strategy for you or not, you still did nothing in those pre-merge challenges. Can you blame Jacob for wanting to get rid of you?). You say in some of your jury answers how you wished for Sammy to be in the final 3 with you and Chelsea instead of Rich. But you and I both know what your real feelings for Sammy are. I have no idea what kind of ‘bonding’ you 2 had after I left, but Skylar c’mon, you didn’t want Sammy in the final 3 because you became best buds: you wanted him there because it would have almost guaranteed you an effortless win. Even I would have voted for you over Sammy. No offense, Sammy. You felt threatened by Rich, as you well should have. And don’t you dare count Chelsea out either, Skylar. Contrary to what you believe, she does indeed have a “f***ing brain” and I wouldn’t be surprised in the least to see her place higher than you when this is all said and done. Sammy, I hope you can see through this masquerader. He wanted you sitting next to him at the end for the same reason I did. And it had nothing to do with being ho-hum best friends.
You actually played a pretty consistent verbal game before you hit the Final 3. You obviously played an overall better game than me, Skylar. I don’t deny that. Your actions—whether they be the aforementioned challenge ‘wins’ or the small bits of strategy you did employ throughout the game—however, only account for part of how you played. Your words must account for something as well. Words are just as much a part of this game as the challenges and twists are. While you played a great action game, your verbal game was dreadful. You essentially ripped every single person on this jury in vile, unnecessary ways. So my second request of you, finally, is this: back it up. BE CONSISTENT. Either you meant everything you said in the game, or you didn’t and you’re playing the persona of this weird-Skylar nice guy all of a sudden in order to get your precious votes. I’m sick of this fake polite act that you’ve put up as you’ve gone about answering everyone’s questions.
I hope this jury can see right through your phoniness regardless of how you respond to this. I truly believe that because of the needlessly disgusting words you’ve spoken throughout the game, they have nullified any moves you made. Regardless of our differences though, Skylar, and regardless of how ridiculously long this is, I respect the fact that you did somehow make it to the final 3. Congrats on that, but just to be straightforward, you won’t be getting my vote. Best of luck though.
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chelsea
A Castaway
Fu Mal
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Post by chelsea on Mar 20, 2007 23:41:36 GMT -5
Why didn't I vote for Rich? Believe me, that's a hard question. Part of the answer, because I'm being honest, is that I didn't want to. I have never had the desire in this game to vote against Rich no matter what our relationship was. When it came down to it in this last vote Skylar and Sammy basically told me I was to vote Rich out and I would be stupid not to do so. They might be right about that, but I was really sick of being told what to do by Skylar by that point so I decided to really ignore both his opinion and Rich's and decide for myself. In the end I voted for Sammy because I felt that if I voted for Rich he would be on the jury and convince his friends on the jury, which I am under the impression are many, to vote with him against me because of that betrayal. Whether or not that would have happened I obviously don't know, but at the time of my vote I felt that voting Rich out would seal my fate to lost and seal Skylar's fate to win, and I didn't want that to happen. I felt that if I was going to lose I would rather lose to Rich than to Skylar. I don't know if it was the right move, but I am very glad that I made the move myself and used my own strategy instead of simply doing was I was told by other tribemates. Anyone who thinks that Richard controlled me in this game or anyone who thinks they controlled me (like Skylar) is dead wrong. If I happened to agree with their strategy I voted with them, if I didn't agree then I didn't vote with them.
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Richard
A Castaway
Fu Mal
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Post by Richard on Mar 21, 2007 5:28:20 GMT -5
I think Chelsea sticking with me was an excellent example of my consistent strategy and strong relationships. I didn't get inside Chelsea's head in one round...indeed, I didn't really get inside her head at all. Chelsea and I had simply developed a good relationship over the course of the game, and that's what eventually got me to the Final 4. In fact, I tried unsuccessfully to get into Sammy's head at the Final 4 TC, where I lied and said we could band together to get rid of Chelsea, when I really just wanted to split the vote so he would be voted out and we could avoid a tie. But my failure to convince Sammy as well as Chelsea's supports really shows how important it is to forge relationships throughout this entire game. That's the difference between myself and Skylar--I made friendships and bonds that stuck me through to the end and he won immunity challenges and personally bashed people.
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skylar
A Castaway
Dragonez
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Post by skylar on Mar 21, 2007 11:48:47 GMT -5
The reason I stopped speaking to you after Deighton and Donna left was because I was sick of your phoniness more than anything.Tom, if anyone was phoney in this game it was YOU. Ask Donna. Ask Sammy. While you were telling Donna, she was safe and that you have hed her back, I was copying and pasting ALL your phoney bullshit to them. Honestly tom im sorry you think im phoney, but ive been nothing but upfront and myself. You are the phoney one, playing nice to peoples faces not me hommie. I've been straight up, maybe sometimes too blunt but thats better than you. Who would play someonese best friend, and then when need be...slit their throat. You admitted to trying/wanting to get richard out. He said u were his #1 ally. I on the other hand would NEVER have done that to Zoe. Granted you're on the jury now and can say whatever you want but i think you're wrong in saying what u did. I was never phoney in this game. Dont get it twisted. Lool up the word phoney, and analyze yourself dude. You were phoneyness in that you used me for my votes. Also, my calling you BUDDY was not phoney. You came to me and laid out what you 'wanted' to do that round. I liked you for doing that, calling you buddy was just calling you buddy. there was nothing fake about that. As for the thank yous. ive said 10000 times that some of those challenge wins were 'handed' to me, and i was damn 'lucky.' regardless i won them. i thank no one for them but myself except for that first Unanimous one. Thank you. im not going to sit here and thank you for a jury vote. this game is almost over tom. get over yourself! i will thank those who voted for me to get that immunity that challenge. donna/you/chelsea/conny. i stated in that chatroom that u all KNEW i didnt have the idol, so give me immunity. it made sense to me, whatever tom. Secondly, I would simply like for you to be consistent. Throughout the entire game you begged our fellow-players to not ever vote for me if I made it to the end. You pleaded with everyone to “rip me a new hole.” You frequently cursed at Deighton and demeaned his character, you called Donna and Sammy worthless under the radar players who skated by, you called Chelsea a “silly pregnant dog” and proclaimed her to not have a “f***ing brain,” you berated Zoe and tossed her aside as dead when she was very much still in this game, you went ballistic on Jacob when he was simply trying to get rid of a worthless challenge contributor Tom you are fucking dumb dude. You did the same things i did...aka talking about other people. PLus i had NOTHING better to do...you all had your alliances, i was just there. Deighton deserved to be cursed at because he was awful to me. you do NOT know what its like being at the merge WITH NO ONE there by your side, to HELP U. yes i had zoe, but (sorry girl) she wasnt much help. and i did NOT betray here. everyone told me she was going..wtf. if i voted her out, granted that would be betraying but i did no such thing. as for what i did on dragonez and fu mal...YOU KNOW NOTHING!!! those first couple of challenges it was jacob and myself, waiting for others to help. for you to say i was worthless, is complete bullshit. you dont know what you are talking about, check your facts before u go and judge me. what i said about people, yes it may have been harsh but its how i felt at the time. knowing your going home if you dont win immunity, releases this angery that i head. but in that big rant/post "important news" everything i said there i meant. it was a weak moment of mine, but i was being HONEST in what i said. and i feel like half those things i said in there were true. tom, your statement/question is really fucking dumb because half of it i feel you're making up in your imaginiation. my gross verbal ness??? If im guilty of that..so is conny, so it deighton, so is jp, so is matt... so is ANYONE WHOSE EVERY SAID ANYTING NEGITIVE ABOUT someone else in this game. you've had your fair share of it you mr.almighty christian tom who is apparently HOLLIER THAN THOU. dude, ur the way you are acting right now is phoney. i dont CARE if you vote for me or not tom. also, you have NO IDEA what sammy and i talked about, and what our plan was when we got to the final 3/4. u seriously need to get of the jury pedistal you think you're on Tom. you think you 'know me'...you think you 'know how i played.' how dare u judge my relationship with sammy. if sammy were here next to myself i would say "if u hate me and dont want to vote for me, please vote for sammy he deserves it" I cannot say that about either chelsea nor richard because compared to me, their survivor experience was a walk in the park. their games reminded me of "Moto" on Survivor: Fiji. what i want to say to you, because im sure no1 this game has said it and there are a few who want to. FUCK OFF vote for me, dont vote for me. i dont care at this point. i care about what the other jurors do, but not you or deighton. deighton hates me, whatever. you are obviously bitter and "think" you know how i played. at least i got chelsea to vote for you, my greatest accomplishment this ENTIRE GAME!
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tom
A Castaway
Nirvana
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Post by tom on Mar 21, 2007 16:09:59 GMT -5
Thank you Chelsea, Rich. You answered my questions perfectly. Again, I wish you both much luck. You both definitely deserve 1st and 2nd place and I'll be hoping that that's how it finishes up.
Sly Sky: Of course you would never vote against Zoe. Why would you? She would have been the easiest person in the world to beat. You admitted this to me during one conversation we had. She floated around and seemed to play whenever she had the time. I mean, has she even posted her jury question yet?
I lied in the game, sure. Isn't that part of the game? I made no lies in a malicious manner and I never, ever used the kind of vocabulary that you frequently use to berate others. There is indeed a difference between us. A big one. If you seriously think that the things you said were the "same things" I said, you need to go back through your saved conversations and hunt for this proof. Not once did I have a coarse word for anybody in this game. I might have complained that some people skated by or whatever (as in the aforementioned Zoe), but I never took it to a thousand higher levels with the vile speech you used throughout this game. It's a line I would never dare cross.
As far as challenges go, I made it clear that you were worthless during the challenges that occurred right before the merge. You yourself admitted that you threw them, so I'm confused why you're denying that now? My point with this statement was that you really couldn't blame Jacob for wanting to vote out somebody who didn't contribute. Just vote him out if you're going to and keep your mouth shut.
And nope, contrary to Skylar-belief, I'm not bitter about you or anyone. I said it plain and simple that you played better than I did and absolutely deserve the seat you sit in. In my Survivor Live interview this sentiment is expressed as well. I had a ball playing with everyone, even you to an extent. I only wish you would have taken some chill pills during the game because I would have loved to have voted for you at this moment. But I can't find any logical reason to vote for you after everything you've said and done, so I won't. Request granted.
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Post by Host Landon on Mar 21, 2007 16:20:31 GMT -5
bitter jury lol
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tom
A Castaway
Nirvana
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Post by tom on Mar 21, 2007 16:30:47 GMT -5
Landon, do not confuse bitterness with straightforwardness.
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Post by Deighton on Mar 21, 2007 17:45:37 GMT -5
Don't you have better things to be doing than attacking people in their Question/Statement threads. This really isn't the place for it.
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Post by Host Landon on Mar 21, 2007 18:17:25 GMT -5
im not attacking lol im being blunt
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